love and heretics

It's better to light a candle than curse the darkness

Life is what you make it. Always has been, always will be. ~Eleanor Roosevelt

“Life is what you make it. Always has been, always will be.” ~ the great…Eleanor Roosevelt.

Somewhere on the internet, I saw this quoted, and explained as…Bullshitake.
The person stated that you can’t make yourself be beautiful, or rich, or live anywhere or be whatever you want. Perhaps this is true, We can make changes, but there are certainly some things we do not have control over. (being born is the first initial non choice we are faced with…) ๐Ÿ˜€

However, this internet Roosevelt quote slammer , truly missed the essence of this quote.

A fellow blogger once again speaks up against the idea that atheism means no meaning…
HERE

It does mean ….we make our meaning.

And I rather believe that was the intent behind this quote of MS Eleanor Roosevelt.
We choose our meaning, our purpose…
and how then should we live?

What will you choose?

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10 Comments

  1. Good point. Yes, if you’re an atheist you make your meaning, your purpose. The question is: what meaning do I choose? What purpose?

    • Hey David even the theist chooses their own meaning. I know of no one who god has told this is why you are here.

      • Yes Noel. We all make our own meaning. I think some do not like to believe that or think it..

        • It’s far easier if you’re told. No nasty, time-consuming, silly thought required.

  2. At different times in our lives we find meaning in different things and sometimes we set to do something we think meaningful only to give it up when it fails to meet the end we had in mind.

  3. I have a feeling that many people are stuck when they don’t need to be. And then they get angry when someone else supposes they are free.
    Maybe an atheist should sometimes spend more time on inventing one’s own meaning, or purpose, instead of lashing out at the enemy. Sometimes you can throw god out and think you are there, already, when you haven’t figured out what you new life will look like….Well, I am just musing. Sorry for being not very concrete on this one, Holly! ๐Ÿ™‚

    • I always enjoy your musing Lively! ๐Ÿ™‚ I am still pondering it as well. I think for many the idea that purpose is not written in stone, and life is what you make of it is a scary concept.

  4. Interesting take Holly! Although I wonder if there is some confusion here on what exactly the theist is referring to when it comes to meaning. In a comment above it was pointed out that theists make their own meaning (lets assume they don’t feel any “calling”) by choosing what they want to accomplish with their life. True enough, but then theist who claims that without God life has no meaning is not referring to this subjective sense. Instead, I take it this theist is probably talking about an objective meaning to life, that is, an overall purpose for human life. As a theist, I’d say the ultimate meaning is to enter into an eternal love relationship with God. On atheism though, the only meaning does seem to be the subjective sense you refer to. Given the eventual heat-death of the universe, it doesn’t appear anything you chose to give meaning to and do would really make a difference in the end, the result would just be the same lifeless end. Now I wouldn’t say this means atheism is false, it could still be true and remove life’s meaning as Nietzche saw it, but I do think one ought to be bold in acknowledging these results (unless you have another source for objective meaning you’d like to offer). Keep up the good thinking, I look forward to your next post!

    • Thank you for the comment Braudcj. ๐Ÿ™‚
      For the atheist, life meaning is rather wide open. Having a choice about what your meaning is does not mean it has to be subjective. (at least I do not think, but I am not a philosopher, only a simple mother who likes to learn… )
      Here is an interesting look at
      “Definition of Objective and Subjective
      Objective is a statement that is completely unbiased. It is not touched by the speakerโ€™s previous experiences or tastes. It is verifiable by looking up facts or performing mathematical calculations.
      Subjective is a statement that has been colored by the character of the speaker or writer. It often has a basis in reality, but reflects the perspective through with the speaker views reality. It cannot be verified using concrete facts and figures.”
      Read more: Difference Between Objective and Subjective | Difference Between | Objective vs Subjective http://www.differencebetween.net/language/difference-between-objective-and-subjective/#ixzz2TxivvG3Q

      I believe one can choose one’s meaning and purpose using objective information.
      For instance, I can observe history, and how actions and behaviors and goals affect me and others, and decide my goal based on objective facts and information.
      Do I want to live alone? or with others? Do I want to become wealthy and live only for me, selfishly, not caring if i hurt others? Do i want to use my life to minimize suffering of others? be a learner? a teacher? a giver, a taker? What would a life of compassion and empathy bring me? what do i want in return?
      by asking these questions, and answering them…
      I then can make choices based on facts of how i want to live.
      What I want to …make it…

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