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The sacrificial atonement….Justice?

An introduction to Christians,  from an atheist, on why the story of the sacrifice of Jesus is not seen as beautiful.

Christian doctrine teaches that all are found guilty.  All need saved, because all have sinned.

“No one is righteous—not even one. No one is truly wise; no one is seeking God. All have turned away; all have become useless. No one does good, not a single one.” … For everyone has sinned; we all fall short of God’s glorious standard. ” (Rom3:10-12,23)

That the price or consequence of sin is death…

“For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life through Christ Jesus our Lord.” (rom. 6:23)

That Jesus Christ paid the price of our sin in our place.  ( For those who receive it/ or are chosen, depending upon ones particular theological leaning).

But God showed his great love for us by sending Christ to die for us while we were still sinners (rom. 5:8)

We receive salvation and eternal life through faith in Jesus Christ.

“If you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For it is by believing in your heart that you are made right with God, and it is by confessing with your mouth that you are saved … For “Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.” (rom. 10:9-10,13)

Salvation through Christ brings us into a relationship of peace with God.

“Therefore, since we have been made right in God’s sight by faith, we have peace with God because of what Jesus Christ our Lord has done for us.”  “So now there is no condemnation for those who belong to Christ Jesus.” (rom.5:1, 8:1)



So, to the atheist/human secularist the idea of Justice and the sacrificial atonement of Jesus is an oxymoron.


Saying that humans are guilty and worthy of death, (no matter how big or little a sin is committed, not matter whether they make restitution here on earth, or not, ) and that each human deserves death, (and  according to many christians: eternal burning in a lake of fire) . That the payment for such deeds can be paid by the spilled blood of an “innocent lamb” , one who knew no sin, is very far from our idea of justice indeed.


Washed clean in the blood….”just as if you knew no sin” made white, and whole, and able to enter the pearly gates.

Justice? or oxymoron?




  1. I simply cannot approach this subject without thinking:

    God sacrificed,
    to himself,
    to save humanity from himself

    • Whoops, that first line should read, “God sacrificed himself…”

  2. scapegoat.
    But as John has said, it makes no sense

  3. rautakyy

    Oxymoron for sure.

    Religious people often ask me to be flexible and to keep an open mind. It is as if they were accusing me of having closed my mind to the truth value of their particular mythical story. Even though I have never believed in any of them, I sometimes entertain the idea, that what if one of them was true.

    The myth of the Christians is a bit sad and obvious nonsense, because if it was true, that their god made all humanity in “his” image, then that image is totally flawed in that it is not a perfect copy of the god and, that this god thinks it has the right to condemn it’s creations based on them not being perfect copies of himself. Who made us in the way we are? Why were we made such, that inevitably we will use our so called free will to such transgressions, that we are by default, deserving of eternal punishment and/or in need of mercy. The point about the atonement is just humans bargaining with gods, and does not change the ridiculously unethical conclusion of the prerequisite for universal atonement. Now, if it all was true, then that god was inherently evil and possibly too stupid to really even concieve this much. But the mindless adherents seem oblivious to the fact. Most often, when ever it is pointed out to them, instead of coming to their senses, they try to find every excuse they can for this obvious injustice. As far as I can see this is motivated only by very strong selfish need for survival – or salvation from death. So strong a motivator it is, that these people are willing and able to give up their ethics and go against their natural sense of justice, just to worship a system of might makes right. Scary.

    This, however, is not the reason why I think that particular god claim is not true, but rather because no evidence in support of this or that wild claim for gods has ever been presented to me. Just some anecdotal stories and childish arguments riddled with logical fallacies. So, even if it was true, this particular god at least was not “benevolent”, nor appearing to defend it’s own case.

    I do not hate Christianity, nor their god. I simply do not recognize their justification to use their god as an excuse to act in society.


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